Thursday, May 5, 2011

Story-based Experience Points

The main Experience Point (X.P.) awards discussions seem to be based around two things: Either you get X.P.for finding treasure or you do not.  I tend not to give X.P. for treasure, but I also tend to award experience a little differently that what it tells you in the rules.

The TSR days (and various editions) of Dungeons & Dragons all awarded X.P. for two things: finding treasure (especially magical treasure), and slaying monsters.  Now, while not bad in and of itself, this led to some players doing very bad things (like slaying townsfolk or other PCs) to get experience.  The sad thing is, there were some Dungeon Masters who let them get away with it.  It says normal men are worth a certain amount of X.P. in the Monster Manual, so those who went by the book just awarded the experience, threw up their hands, and wondered what went wrong. 

Well, aside from the fact that those Dungeon Masters needed to put their collective feet down, and the "angry mob rule" from Original D&D never made it into the later rulebooks, it seems as if some campaigns degenerated into "kill the monster, take its stuff."  As if one single part of the rules had become the whole point of the game. 

Certainly many computer RPGs pretty well took that route.  There were several articles and letters in Dragon Magazine (in its early days, at least) that dealt with the hack and slash aspect, and whether it had a place in D&D.

But interestingly enough, around the time of Dungeons & Dragons 2nd Edition (2e), 1989, there was a computer game called Baldur's Gate, loosely based on the 2e ruleset.  In this game you had various tasks to perform, and the rewards included XP.  I had never seen that before, but it made sense to me.  Torment did the same, as well as Icewind Dale, which is why those games appealed to me despite my dislike of AD&D.  At that time, I was playing Call of Cthulhu, Cyberpunk, Warhammer, RoleMaster, etc. 

Time passed, and 3E was released.  Even its experience system, with its Challenge Ratings, was skewed in much the same direction as its TSR predecessors.  According to designer George Strayton, WotC stuck to the "kill 'em all, take their stuff" philosophy when designing 3rd Edition D&D.  They did add one thing, you received experience for disarming traps, but still their X.P. system felt woefully incomplete. 

Looking at Rolemaster and Palladium, the way you gain X.P. is far different than in other similar games.  in RoleMaster you can gain experience for adventures, and some of the equations to calculate experience are overblown.  Likewise, Palladium gives out experience for planning, and you get more if your plan worked, and less if it failed, etc.  Both of these are germs of a good idea.  What if, like Baldur's Gate (and the much more recent Gothic series), you got experience for doing things?  Bring a nobleman back his amulet from the brothel he left it at: 50 xp in Baldur's Gate, for example.  In the PC game Gothic 2, the reward could be 3 times that.  Reward players for actually doing things in the adventure, instead of just mindlessly killing. 

This is not as radical as it may seem at first. Tournament adventures are scored in a similar manner. Why not transplant that into an actual game?

So, I propose this system, scaled to D&D: 

You get experience from two broad categories.  The first is a larger experience award, the major objective.  The major objective is the whole point of the adventure.  You might get 1,000 points for it. 
- Exploring the Unknown
- Investigating an Evil Outpost
- Removing the effects of an evil curse
- Recovering Ruins
- Eradicating a force of raiding goblins
- Destroying an Ancient Evil
- Fulfilling a Quest
- Escaping From Enemies
- Rescuing Prisoners
- Finding a Lost Race

The minor objectives are things that you did during the adventure.  They're worth anywhere from 100-500 points, though not more than 300 points should be given unless the objectives took more than one session to complete.
- Following a trail of clues to the next part of the adventure
- Searching around a town's taverns to find a guide
- Bribing a guard (or quietly rendering him unconscious) to gain entry
- Killing or overcoming a monster that is preventing the Heroes from progressing further.
- Using a Magic Portal to go someplace (or come back, or both)
- Travel to a shrine that has been lost for ages, in order to remove the curse.

These are base Experience Awards, and they increase as the Heroes rise in level.  A good rule of thumb is to multiply the awards by the Heroes' level.  So if the Heroes are 3rd level, they might net 600 X.P. for the last group of monsters they killed.  Or, after exploring the ruins to find the foozle they might get 3,000 X.P. 

Obviously, you can increase or decrease the base experience award as you see fit.  A slower progression might see 500 for a major objective, or even 250!  You might even flatten the rate, so even at 5th level the PCs are getting the same amount of X.P. as they did at 1st level.  Part of the advantage of this system is the sheer control.  You can tailor it to the exact number of adventures you want your players to go through before they level. Also, set up this way, hack and slash actions are not rewarded unless you want them to be.


  1. What you propose is actually a part of the core rules for D&D 4th Edition (although probably oft-overlooked). There are Major and Minor Quests with experience to scale with the party's level. It actually works out pretty well as a way to give the party something to focus on aside from hunting down monsters just to take their stuff.

    In the old Dragonquest game, experience was awarded for killing monsters, but it was minisule compared to what you would earn in total at the end of an Adventure. In that system, your XP functions as currency for upgrading your skills thru training.

  2. Interesting. I own a few core books for 4th Edition, but I guess I overlooked that part, too. :) That's a fascinating contrast to 3E!

    And I remember the old DragonQuest. I owned the second edition, and have some fan sites for it bookmarked. A fun game, indeed.

  3. I always thought the best Exp system I've ever come across was Ars Magica. For those of you who don't know, Ars Magica is generally played each player having 3-4 different characters and a floating GM, so every week someone else is running the game, and the remaining players play their characters best suited for this story.

    Rather than earn Exp for anything resembling what you might see in other RPG games you earned it for what your characters (including the ones you weren't playing) were ACTUALLY doing!
    So for instance Biggins strong shield, the fighter you weren't playing thazt weejk has spent the last 7 days training X exp for him, Hans von Wizardbits spent his time dlving into the arcane sciences, X exp for him.

    I don't really explain it as well as I might, but to my mind it was one of the better ideas I've seen in my time roleplaying, and one well worth ripping off for other games! :D

    @Sully Don't you only earn exp for killing though? Don't know if it was the less than stellar GM or not, but thats the view I got from 4th. Where as in 3.5 it specifically states that you get the Exp for defeating challenges, be that through diplomacy, combat, avoidance or quick thinking (never really liked that either personally since it led to a rail road of exp, but it wasn't quite as bad as you seemed to imply lol)

    Oh if anyones interested, I'm working on my own website to story all my dirty geeky rants:

  4. I've never liked the XP for treasure thing, and I really like the XP for objectives idea. But I feel like if the party discovers/creates a worthy objective of its own, that should be rewarded equally --- no, more! Any end they choose to work seriously for and succeed with, graded by difficulty.